Ep. 34 The Secrets to Having Your Spouse as a Business Partner (With Colton & Katrina Simmons)

Today Doug sits down with Colton & Katrina Simmons from Colton Simmons Mentoring and Colton Simmons photography to talk about starting and running a full time business with your spouse. 

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Transcript

Doug Johnson: 0:00

Hey everybody, welcome back to the Digital Income family podcast. I am extremely pumped to be talking to, to seriously fun to work with and successful individuals. This is Colton, and Katrina. They're students of ours and ICA. And basically we wanted to bring them on to share a little wisdom with you guys talk to you guys about their story and their experiences everything. So hey, guys, how's it going? Hey, Jake, what? Yeah, Jake's right.

Unknown: 0:25

So thanks for coming on, as always, really appreciate it. You know, it's really cool to be able to bring people on to give like a different perspective. I'm sure people are tired of hearing Haley and I talk about things. So when we saw you guys, always on the calls, doing stuff, it was a lot of fun. And we were like, We got to be able to get them on the podcast at least once, you know, to be able to go through and talk about things. So again, I really appreciate you guys being here. I guess tell us a little bit about who you guys are and what you guys do for the people who don't know you.

Colton: 0:53

Alright, so my name is Colton. I am co owner of Colton Simmons photography along with my beautiful wife, Katrina.

Katrina: 1:02

I am Katrina. I am Colton's wife.

Unknown: 1:07

I am a registered nurse. But I'm retired. And I'm a stay at home mom. Awesome. That's so cool. So when you guys came on to ICA, I want to just figure this out really quickly. Who was it that brought up ICA? I'm just curious. I forgot to ask. So Katrina brought up ICA. So she was always, you know, last few years listening to his content? And I'm not sure what it was. I think it was a podcast that they did with the vote Berg? Is that it? Yeah. Where they talked about you guys talked about ICA. And that was kind of where she, like had the lightbulb go off in her head. And she came he was like, you know, we've been talking about, you've been talking about doing education. And of course, for a long time. Well, like, I owe people that would be able to help us with that. And then, you know, got on a call with you. So awesome. That's so cool. I mean, it's it's a rare thing to see. And which is this is why we wanted to bring you guys on the podcast, I wouldn't say it's like super rare. But it is such a cool thing to see, I should say when spouses are like working together, and I don't mean working together. And like Katrina is also out there taking photos. You don't do photography, right? Trinity. You're not out there like taking pictures, too. I mean, only rarely on destination weddings. Okay, but camera, dude, I didn't even know that. Okay, so you're like, you've got like, way more experience, I'm sure than I do. But that's so cool. But it's so rare to see, you know, a husband and a wife team that are so team and folk like focus oriented, when it comes to like running a specific business. And whether that is like I said, I guess you do pick up photos, the I'm learning more stuff every time that I talk to you guys. But whether it is like picking up the cameras together or not, or whether it's just like supporting in the background, it's so cool to see that kind of action taking place, especially in today's age. That's why we're just like, so excited to be able to have you guys here. But anyways, I did want to just kind of pick your guys's brains about a couple of things. And obviously, you know, as we do all these podcasts, you guys, tangents are totally fun to be able to have. But did you guys always imagine this kind of like a dynamic or setup kind of moving forward? Because Katrina, you said you're you are you're a registered nurse. But like, I guess how did this all start you guys doing the photography stuff, and then working together, and then the family and everything. Just tell me more about your story. So I feel like when I like hear you talk about teamwork and how we kind of like manage things. It's kind of always been that way with our relationship. Because Karina and I both like didn't come from good backgrounds in terms of like our family, we didn't have like a huge support system. So we got married, I was 23 going on 24. She just turned 22. And we were both young, both didn't have college degrees. And we knew like coming together, we were going to be a team that was going to be able to help each other like get through life because we didn't really have that backing. So we got married and went right into school. And it was during the time period that we had bought our first camera. We have like a little bit of gift money from our wedding that we got. And just we're like Katrina was like, I want to buy a camera. I want to get into photography. And then like two months later, she decided to change that whole dynamic because if you want to share the story about getting sick on our honeymoon, oh, yeah, we were on our honeymoon. And toward the end of the honeymoon. I got really sick with something called sepsis died from that. God I did not. And I realized life is so short. I wanted to buy the camera. But then I felt like God was telling me to be a nurse which looking back on it now I wonder if that Nam like why they go through nursing school because that was a lot but I definitely think like I learned a lot of valuable lessons and basically The, you know, we are going through school during that she was going through a very difficult program with nursing school, we had to Pearman lying around I was in school for graphic design, it kind of like went hand in hand. And next, you know, like, every spare moment that I wasn't doing schoolwork or at school or working, I was out learning camera. And you know, shortly thereafter, had a, actually our wedding photographer reached out to me to second shoot, because she had seen my work on Instagram, that kind of just started the down, you know, the downhill snowball of wedding photography. So that was in 2014 ish when I started doing weddings. And you know, here we are nine years later, running a six figure wedding photography, business. And throughout that process, again, like I said, we're in school together, once we got out of school. We had a child a year later, so team dynamic kind of was always amazed, she was always helping me with business stuff, I would sit down with her and she would say, hey, like, you could be better as a photography, few did XY and Z. And I was like joke with with brides that my wife was the one who gave me the feminine I've being able to see you like what bride would want in photography. So even at those moments, she was helping me with post ideas, and she would send it out to shoots and make sure I was like studying different poses before I went out. So she's always kind of been like the backbone of what people see if you know, the face of the business. She the the mastermind, as well as the collaborator.

Doug Johnson: 6:33

That's so cool. So you're telling me that all of this that's happening right now, the program that you have your successful luxury wedding photography, business, the gear in the background, the lights and everything is because Katrina was like, Hey, I kind of want to buy a camera. Yeah, that is so cool. Like, I mean, I mean, you kind of you kind of set it Katrina, like, maybe it's like, you know, God at work just being like, here, let me buy this camera. And then you were just like, you were just meant to, like, pass this to Colton. And then here is this, this thriving business that's been built in this thing that's changed so many people's lives through through photography, like that is that's, that's kind of chilling, honestly. Because it's not like you shot for years, Katrina, and then we're like, hey, Colton, like maybe you should do this. And then you did it, you instantly something happened, you got sick. And all of a sudden, you're like, maybe you should just hang on to this thing. And it did. That is so cool. So I guess it wasn't always planned to be like this, but it ended up turning out this way, which is really cool. And so you guys are kind of running everything together. And I hear colds and a lot of things that you say that are similar to what we hear with other couples that are in, in the in ICA and kind of in the industry in general, which again, are few and far between. But it's like Katrina, you've kind of always been there doing this stuff. That's that's that's needed that maybe not as many people see, and maybe not even exactly business related. Right? Like you have your kid and I'm sorry, how many kids do you guys have to do? Okay, so you got two daughters, amazing. You run the business. And so Katrina, you're not just, you know, being the mom and doing those kinds of things. But you're also like eating coltan? And other ways. Could you maybe talk a little bit about your guyses how else that happens? Because Colton you said a couple of things like the backbone of a couple of things and feminine eye towards shooting which is really cool. And I think that's I think it's like a great compliment that's there. But is there is that like I guess what are the the different dynamics of different ways maybe if somebody else's wife wanted to be able to help out with something that there could be support there?

Unknown: 8:45

I mean, I think if another wife were going to look at this as anything, they have to look at their marriage as being a team you can't choose one or the other. Because when your husband succeeds you as a family succeed so I mean, I want anything from looking through galleries and picking different photos saying I think you should post this one don't post this one was my preference or researching giving different notes Yeah, like when we're doing the when we're getting the course put together like you had said before she would go through an artificial module and go through and listen all the modules just to make sure that like things weren't you know arrived or anything like that it'd be time so she's like, Hey, there's no audio for like the first like two minutes of this video before I'm gonna like launch it live to students. So it was nice to have her there because I like I was so entrenched and as soon as I was like done with another module, I was like super focused on getting the next one done. It was hard for me to like go back and look at it where she's set it years and she really go in and do the fine tooth combing of lay might need to re export this file, or whatever is an idea. for time management, I'm inspired different lessons. Yeah, she also send me reels on Instagram like, this sounds trending right now I feel like you could do this, you know, this kind of thing. So yeah, those are the type of dynamics that we have as well as helping you late night. Yeah, like, if I'm sitting here late and working on something just hanging out down here. And like, whenever I like I'm working, and I'm high stress, I get like tension in the back of the neck, and just her being here, like rubbing the knot in my neck while I'm working out. It's just like, those little things that like are relational, and outside of just running a business together really help when it comes to, you know, having to work harder during seasons of our lives. And definitely during the course creating and getting everything launched, that's a huge sacrifice in terms of the amount of time you put in, during that one time period that ends up paying off. You know, for for however long the course is, is being run. So understanding that, you know, it does take time to work, and he needs focus time to do his work. But also, you know, he needs time to exercise because that's something that he's passionate about. I want to be his helped me so that he can fill his dreams, but also realize that he has bees and you work together, he's able to give me some time as well to that. And I think when you you're loving each other and putting others needs first, that's when you're able to really come together as a family unit. Yeah, make dreams happen.

Doug Johnson: 11:35

That is so cool. Like, I did not expect this to go that way. But this is so good. This is so good. Honestly, I don't mean to do this, but you guys would be this would be a good, really good, like tangent to go off of for Haley's other podcast or modern housewife podcast, to kind of talk about those things like that helped me and be like, you know, the actual, like, loving relationship and dynamic. That's there. Didn't mean to plug that in this one. But it just came about, but I think you guys said,

Unknown: 12:04

podcast, by the way. Oh, good.

Doug Johnson: 12:05

I've said that. So no, it'd be it'd be great to be able to have you on there. Katrina, I think that might be kind of cool, too, if you're feeling a little brave, but but I think you said some really good points. One. The first thing was was that Katrina, you said, when your husband is successful, like your family, and your business can be successful. And it's cool that you guys have that understanding, I feel like in today's age with, and I don't want to get too deep here. But in today's age, with social media, and businesses that are around a lot of times, a lot of times, there may not be that common understanding, right? Like, the husband and wife may not be thinking you're heading in the same direction. And so that is a really big deal to be able to have. And that's one of the first things I don't know if you guys remember this, but that's one of the first things I applauded you guys on when we had our discovery call a while ago was, you guys are both here. Like, that's, that's so cool that you guys are both like, so involved in doing all this stuff together. Katrina, I feel like I'm asking you a lot of questions. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be trying to put you on the spot or anything. Do you have like formal training in any of the stuff that you're doing, like marketing background, or sales background or anything like that? Okay, just

Unknown: 13:17

listen to like all of the modules that you guys had an ICA, with the mindset stuff, I think helped us a lot. Not we were negative nancies before, but I feel like the work Haley did with the mindset really helped paradigm shift, and just like transform our minds in a lot of ways, and we were able to apply it. So seeing like practical aspects of the business. With social media, I'm on social media anyway. You know, just like everybody else, for the most part is just using that as a tool to make our business grow and become successful and be relevant. I think that's important. Because that's like the power of social media these days. So it's like whatever we have to do to be successful. Like, we're willing to work as a team to that, but also like, acknowledging that we each have needs, and we need to try to work together to meet those needs. Exactly. Like if you would have told me like seven months ago, that Catrin would be like watching out for Mozi and Leila Hermoza videos on YouTube to like, you know, that was a part of that mindset shift of like, realizing like, okay, like, here's information to help make our business better. Like, out there. We've seen that with what Doug and Haley have provided a syllabus, we still listen to both banks, you know, gathering like as much information as we can. So it's, it's one of those things where it's cool to see these things like as you look in the hindsight and see where we came from, like if you would have told me in 2013, when, like, we were getting married that in 10 years, I'd be creating a new business and in the first month of that business, I'd be doing almost$30,000 in in revenue, I would have laughed because, you know, my mind as a 24 year old was, you know, I still was I still had I was think I was working as a janitor still at that point and going to school at night, so it's definitely a rags not a rags. I wouldn't say we're at riches yet but like a rag to

Doug Johnson: 15:20

this. Yeah,

Unknown: 15:20

you have a nice, nice glow. Yeah, it's like marrying him, but

Doug Johnson: 15:27

it was like, like literal. Literal rags though, like janitorial rags, dude, that is so cool. And so, I mean, you guys would have never foreseen any of this happening. Which is which? Honestly, it's just, it's a work of something that we all understand. Right? Like it's at work and testament to God. Yeah, absolutely. And so when, when those kinds of things happen, it's so cool to see or to be able to hear your story of how you guys have just been, I don't wanna say like rolling with the punches. But it's like, it's almost like your your relationship was was founded, it was just grounded in such a way that like, no matter which direction you guys went, it seemed like things were going to work. And I guess that's what it sounds like, right? It sounds like Katrina, you don't have formal training in any of this. Like, this isn't what you were didn't sign on to be the like, I guess if Cohen's like CEO, then you're like C O or something, you know, like running, running the operations on everything, right. But you are, because you know that it's something that that you have faith in that Colton can do and that it works, I guess to ask on the flip side of Colton, like, for the husbands that are out there that are running their business, and maybe their wives maybe like aren't as on board, or if you know, they they do kind of just hang out and instead of watching Alex are Leila Hormoz. It's still, you know, keeping up the Kardashians or something? Or it's something like that, like, maybe maybe not that drastic. But is there anything that you that you might be able to give insight on? Or just speak about it not? You don't even need like concrete sayings or anything, but just speak on? Like, what it's like that, too, I guess? Like, let me rephrase it this way. What are some things that you could tell them if they want to be able to get their wives on board to do business as well, I was trying to come off as a way that's like, as a little bit nicer for that. But just to be straight up, like, how can you get an unwilling wife not to say you work a trainer, but how can you get somebody that's unwilling in the relationship to be like, come on board, like I promised, this is a thing.

Unknown: 17:31

I think, like I'm trying to think back to when I got Katrina on board for photography, and I don't know, it just our Dynamics always been way that it was, but I would say like showing some proof of concept and doesn't mean, you won't you make $10,000 in a week, and it's like, see, like, look what I can do in a week, because that's just untanned in like, tangible at very beginning, but at least showing that you have a drive and a passion for something that like no matter what, like, you're just not going to give it up. So if you, you know, say your passion is creating custom fishing lures, and your wife doesn't think that you can do it, keep making some fishing lures, until you get 500 followers on Instagram and say, hey, look like I'm building a following this may not be a lot now, but three months ago, I had zero and I want to be able to turn this something I can monetize in some way shape, or form, but I need your help to do it. And, and it's just a matter of keep going at it and to just keep loving on yourself. And this is something that like me, I mean, even I'm thinking to myself, and this is like, in order for us to be successful, they have to save so much of themselves over to do it and it goes kind of counter cultural of what like society tells us today that you know every not that there's no equal footing but the man and the woman should both out working but like Katrina aside some she went to school over four and a half years for her to get all of her degrees and certifications for to be an RN to stay home and these are children and I would say you know this is kind of a tangent from that but kind of going back like our entire life we we rolled with the punches but it was like leaps of faith like jumping from one stone and a challenge to the next stone in each stone. Like each jump was bigger. But we knew with our faith that like making that jump we were going to make land and just think back to like her quitting her nursing job. Like we were worried like how are we going to replace like the 90k income that we have for her and like we made that jump of faith in my photography business made more in that year than we both would have at our full time job with the photography business and her nursing so as well as starting other businesses. Yeah, so I say that to say Love Your Wives throughout the entirety of it. You know, give them the time to be able to go take a peloton ride if they want give them the time to get away from the kids and have that time themselves as well as showing proof of concept and you are happy she's not going to have any issue getting on board if she sees the passion that you have Word.

Doug Johnson: 20:00

Absolutely. That's so cool. It kind of sounds like anyone can do anything together, as long as you guys are both in that relationship that works like if you're in if you're in a loving relationship, that's almost the foundation for business to form almost like, like, I wouldn't say it's a requirement, but it kind of seems like it's like if if you're gonna go through the loops for a business to be able to happen, it's like, you got to give a little bit. In order for her to be it to get on board, you can't just start asking right away. So that is super wise, like very wise, for all the dudes that are out there listening, like, don't start asking right away, man, you gotta put it put in a little bit of payment beforehand. That's there. That's so cool. Katrina, is there anything that you think of that? That you might be able to say to that aspect, if like a wife is hesitant on on anything else, like if they're afraid to kind of push forward or it's like to be that helped me that's there or anything?

Unknown: 20:57

Well, again, I think really goes back to Faith for us. Because back in 2020, it really rocked our world. And we had always had faith we'd always like took little leap of faith. But take the chance on your husband, and take the chair in your family. Because you don't know what's possible. And what you can have for a life. Your dreams will be completely. I don't want to say like shattered, they'll basically upgraded when you realize there are so many more possibilities. And we really have a limited mindset to believe that what we have in front of us is all we'll ever have. We take that chance, and it's working to realize the dreams.

Doug Johnson: 21:46

Yeah, that is so cool. Man that is so like profound. It's it's so funny. You say that because I was looking at Haley's, she put up like a recent podcast episode, I think about taking the chance to like, give your husband a chance to do things, right. It was something along those lines. I forget the exact topic. But one of the comments literally said like, yes, Haley, I want to be like that, just like you're saying a trainer, like I'm gonna give my husband the trust, I want to give him the trust, I want to believe in Him. And then she followed it with but he makes the dumbest decisions. And I was like, that's so brutal. And she's like, I want I want to be that person. That's the supporter and go getter, you go get him, but she's like, we almost lost our house. And I was like, okay, like, this is a little brutal. But I know that's not the case to everyone, but it just it did give him wisdom, wisdom, and that's what it sounds like you're doing too, you know, like, like, I don't know about you, Colton. But, uh, Haley is the wisdom for me, like, like, she is the the person that like, it's just, it's like this cloud of just like wisdom that just always kind of floating around. And it kind of follows me everywhere. That's Haley. Like, she's like, like, I don't know, if it's just men being men, and being kind of brutish, or something. But we'll just like, we'll just like, keep pounding on a door until it opens. And then a Haley's just, like, open just turn the knob or something like that. Like, that's the metaphor, you know. But that, but that's kind of what it's like, and I know, you know, maybe not for all of our listeners out there. But that's, that is kind of what I've seen, right? I mean, is that is that is that what you kind of feel to it kind of sounds that way that Katrina has kind of been, I mean, the whole cameras sore, I still get chills about that, that Katrina was like, get the camera. But yeah, it's

Unknown: 23:29

pretty wild. Like the way I look at it is like, for me, at least as a as a free thinker, and someone who like just so many ideas all the time, I could just like run off in a million different directions. And even when it comes to like, getting things going to like, drive more traffic for the mentoring program. I'm like, I need to redesign the website, I need to do that. I need to do this. And the whole time Katrina's like, you need to be getting people on calls to get me on the program. And I'm like, but I just redesign the website and I need to finish this wedding gallery and she's like, but you need to get and it's that constant like reminder even though I'm all the way out here it's like she's given me all this free rein and finally just like hey, like we need to have a serious conversation in like if these are our goals like if we want to move in we want to get this house in Florida. This is what needed to happen and it's like a redirection like you bulrush in a direction and like it's like the wives are like pulling the reins a little bit to kind of sure as in the in the right trajectory for for the goals because, like you said, we could just bull rush into a door to try to get it open but err, like turning the knob for Yeah, yeah. All these ideas, but we need to write them down and plan and execute. Yeah.

Doug Johnson: 24:43

Very cool. Yeah, it's like the sign is there is like pull not push and it's like the wife just like standing there like pointing out the thing. It's like she can only wait so long until she's got to open the door. But it's it's so cool to be able to hear that because I I feel like that is the most simplest thing that a partner can do is just be another brain, another eyes, another mouth, another set of ears, right? Like that, that is the thing that they can do is they could just sit. And like you say, Colton, you could just riff off a bunch of ideas and things. And it's hard when you're alone. It's hard to like, do that in like an echo chamber with yourself. But if there's somebody else in there to help out to listen to give feedback, even not give feedback, like sometimes, and for us, a lot of times too, like the roles are reversed, obviously, because Haley is like, you know, the absolute savage like leader when it comes to all of her social stuff. Sometimes she wants me to just sit there and listen, right? So sometimes the guy's got to sit there too. And just listen, whether it's about business or not business or other things that are happening, but yeah, it seems like it would you guys agree? Is that like, the first step maybe in not just working together? Because I don't I don't want to talk like this as if everybody has the assumption that all husbands wives need to be CEO, CEO or anything like that. But it like to to have that foundational relationship of like, working together. Would you guys think that's like a suitable first step is like, just talk and listen to each other to be willing to listen?

Unknown: 26:17

Yeah, which I can say for those is probably like a difficult thing, we tend to, like want to be the one heard. And it's very unnatural to like, be one to listen. But it's in the moments where we do this and that, like the breakthrough happen, and we get to that, like next level of not only intimacy between each other, but like, in our family, our kids are allowed to, like see healthy communication. And for any healthy relationship communication is going to be the number one thing that's going to be the make or break, because you can communicate for so long that you just end up doing this and split off.

Doug Johnson: 26:53

Yeah. Yeah, that is so cool. Yeah. It is. Yeah, felt like communication is such a thing that needs to happen. Right. And, and even like I was saying before, like, before, we were getting honest with you guys, like it's, there's been so many failed communications that we've seen from people that want to be able to join ice, or maybe people that you see like in your everyday life, but I mean, obviously, I want to keep this related business. But in, in business, some people will show up, and they're like, my spouse doesn't know anything that's here. Like, I'll take calls with people often to be able to join the program, and the spouse has at least on in the in the camera, like on on scene, but they have no idea what's going on. And so like when that communication doesn't happen, it tends to falter, the business tends to falter. And things that are there. I always say the number one factor in success for like a business or family businesses that husband and wife are on board, like, or at least heading in the same direction, even if that means like, you know, I want my wife to have nothing to do with the business and never hear me talk about it ever. But I want a perfect household. Done. That's still heading in the same direction, right? Because you guys are agree upon things like you agree on stuff that's there.

Unknown: 28:05

Yeah, we sacrifice to Yeah. And I would even say to that, like, I remember times when we were not successful as we were. And I wasn't communicating everything to the business to contribute to Katrina was my partner. It caused not only weeds in the business and follows, but like in our own personal life. So I've seen the I've seen the the good side and the bad side of it, which is why we decided that you know, this is the way it has to move forward where we work our Manam in this because I don't want something that's business related to ruin a relationship with my best friends.

Doug Johnson: 28:43

Yeah. That's so cool, man. Yeah, I totally get that. Katrina. This is a random out of left field question. But do you when you're looking at Colton, while he's talking? And because you've watched our podcast and UCs? Do you feel like sometimes you're sitting there and you're like, I have no idea where he's gonna go with this? Because that's me sometimes when I'm like sitting there with Haley. And we're just like, sitting there. Just just a random side tangent. I was just wondering, it's kind of funny, because a lot of times I have this look on my face. And I'm like, Haley, where are you going with this next point, that's gonna happen? Like, I have no idea. No, it's just saying it's just, it's funny, big because when you're when you're both on, you have to gauge and this is like a perfect example of like, husband wife dynamic that happens. But when you're both on camera, you got to figure out who's going to talk first and how you feed off of each other. And what's there. And you guys obviously do an excellent job of that. And like you didn't have that. Look at all. I'm just saying that we have that. Look, I don't know if you ever see it on our podcast, but a lot of times I have that. Look, I'm looking at Haley. Like, I have no idea where she's going with this. But that's just that's just a random side tangent.

Unknown: 29:47

Well, and to answer your question, I feel like most of the time I do know where it's going. But then I mean, of course, there are other times I don't know.

Doug Johnson: 29:55

Yeah, it's not. It's not always there, but it does seem like it like when you guys are in the coaching calls. You guys are so onpoint like every time, and even even Katrina like you're they're asking questions, you know, putting in pieces of information that Colton misses, like, there's just so many areas that I feel like that you're they're filling in the gaps for. It's almost like I feel like it is. And I'm not going to speak for you guys on this. But it is almost like it's a 5050 work relationship, because Katrina's they're filling so many gaps that are there that are missing. And I think it's I think it's so cool. Which is why I wanted to bring guys here, but thank you. Yeah, yeah, of course, I'd like I said, Haley, and I were like, We got to get them on. So I think that's so cool. But yeah, I don't know if you guys have like, any other thoughts for husband, wives, boyfriend, girlfriends. I don't know if that's ever a thing that people should do boyfriend girlfriend working together in a business, but like, you know, spouses that want to work together or be successful, or at least like make a big change in their life? Like, is there anything that you guys feel like might be the one thing if they hear anything out of this podcast? Like, what do you guys think it should be,

Unknown: 31:03

I would say, make sure that you guys are in a good place to be able to do it. Like if, if it's like a, we're going to do this, and this is the thing that's going to save our relationship, then it's not going to work, you have to know each other, you have to know what you're getting into with the other person, you have to know your strengths and your weaknesses and know when to not be so headed and listen to your wife when it comes down. Because, you know, like, I wouldn't have my photography career for wedding for Katrina buying the camera, I wouldn't have the program had Katrina not brought it to my attention and really pushed me believed in me when I didn't believe in myself. And still to this day, like the the imposter syndrome that comes in and out. So I'd say just know your spouse, know, before you make the commitment, if, if it's the right time, and if it's the right time, focus on the relationship, get your relationship to where it needs to be, and then revisit it because I just come from the mindset of like, it's possible for me and her like, it's, it's possible for anyone, you just have to be in that right mindset to do so. So that's my two cents to you, if you'd like that, I think that you need to look at the bigger picture of things. And to realize that temporary sacrifices are just temporary. And yes, it's going to be a lot more work at times, I'm with the kids a lot, have the household responsibilities, like I will take on more so he can work. And, you know, has to be okay for this time. And we've seen the benefit and the rewards of the sacrifices that we've already made. So you have to think long term and bigger picture and then have the goals that you want, but you have to believe you can get there and work at and actually change your mindset to change your life.

Doug Johnson: 33:00

But it's so cool. Awesome. You guys. Awesome. I really think people like to be able to hear all this. I think that's so cool. Just real quick before we end up where can people learn more about you guys? I called them what do you do Katrina, like tell it tells like you your business, what you do what you offer and where people can find you.

Unknown: 33:17

So yeah, so I mentioned it earlier. We're the owners of them. It's photography also Colton Simmons mentoring now. I am a wedding photographer that's based out of New England and now the west coast of Florida. So Sarasota Tampa, Fort Myers area, shooting weddings out there while also up in New England during the summertime when it's too hot in Florida, as well as educating photographer and how they can take their side you know, hustle business and turn it into a profitable six figure business and be able to leave their nine to five or make more money so that their spouse can leave their job and be home with their kids if that's the goal, like we had in mind. So that's what I do you find me at Colton Simmons photography on Instagram, as well as at Colton Simmons touring, or just visit my website kind of has all of the information for my photography and my mentoring@consummates.com and if you're interested in the pathway to full time photography,

Doug Johnson: 34:15

see awesome. This is it dude. Yes, I'm just gonna chop up this last part. There it is. It's so perfect. Dude, I am so pumped. Thank you guys again, so much for for getting on and being willing to do this step outside of your comfort zone. Jump on these podcasts like, super excited. But yeah, thank you guys so much again, and we'll hopefully see you guys on again soon. That'd be really cool.

Unknown: 34:35

That'd be awesome. Thanks. Thanks for having us.

Doug Johnson: 34:38

Of course. Yep, you guys have a good one.