The American Dream Revival Podcast with Hayley & Doug

Ep 25. Is Idaho REALLY the best for family & business?

• Hayley & Doug Johnson • Season 1 • Episode 25

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So are we moving to Idaho or not? Today we're recapping our experiences in Idaho, where we think is the best place to raise a family while growing a business, how North vs South Idaho are SO different and more! Thanks for listening!

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Hayley Johnson:

Hey guys, welcome back to the Digital Income family podcast. We are so stoked to be here with you guys because we wanted to bring you yet another episode. Kind of like a follow up from what is probably the last episode of You know, our talk on moving out of California because obviously we're not in the same spot. We are in North Idaho.

Doug Johnson:

And so it's like the wilderness out here.

Hayley Johnson:

Like, okay, we were gonna film like this podcast on our deck because you know, when do you get to overlook the ocean? I picked a random ocean and like, it looks like it looks like an ocean. I don't know why that yeah, a huge lake. So we're in Coeur d'Alene, do you think? Quarterly? Yeah, I know. So I never heard of this place in my life until everyone started flocking, you know, California, like we're moving a quarter lane. We're moving to Boise, you know. So anyways, today we're gonna do like a recap from I think, last week's podcast about like, our thoughts on Idaho, and we're not really going to try to make it like a pros and cons thing. Because why would I do that to my side?

Doug Johnson:

I want it to be more. I want it to be more like an experience, you know, like, what was our experience like? And like the the cool things that we did and just our overall feelings about things? Yeah, I feel like that's more telling than pros and cons. Because once you start getting into pros and cons, it's like, almost too serious. My lesson. Yeah, like,

Hayley Johnson:

and this place is so like a whole state of Idaho, because we've been here for a couple weeks. So the whole state is like way different than I ever thought Idaho was. And I know a lot of you guys are like, let me know, is that the place to move? You know? So, I mean, it's obviously up to you. But we wanted to recap, because this is our last day here. And yeah, I want to recap like what has happened. So we start out in Boise, right. You want to

Doug Johnson:

start? Yeah, so yeah. So we started in Boise, and we wanted to go out there because that's like the main place, you know, where people are liking they're like, oh, yeah, like Boise, that's the places where everybody's going all the threads on like leaving California and stuff. Yeah,

Hayley Johnson:

I think I mean, I heard that it was like 80,000 people now I don't know, I should have looked at random facts. But I heard someone say someone you know, like some something said 80,000 Californians or 80,000 people move there last year. So yeah, basically, there's a lot of people but

Doug Johnson:

yeah, that was the number one spot. And I think the most shocking thing to us, okay, so because like, you know, everything whenever people are like, oh, let's go figure out where we want to live or the things that we want to do. You look it up online, right? You look it up on YouTube. And you see like, I literally look up like drone shots and like what was the topography? Yeah, and it looks flat. Right? Looks like flat ugly brown, you know? Yeah. And it just looks the worst. And then when we get there it's not it's not it's totally not like Boise is like at the foothills is what they call them. And I always joke because I have a buddy that lives in Boise. And he's like, gotta come up to the mountains. And I'm like, You mean the hills? Yeah,

Hayley Johnson:

it looks like because I grew up in a place if you guys are from, you know, San Bernardino, I don't know if you're from SoCal. Chino Hills, and literally, like the hills are bigger than some of the like little hills in Texas. And like, they're pretty, like, I mean, they're not large, but they are substantial. And so when people say, Oh, I live like in the mountains, I'm like, Okay, well, we have such huge mountains in SoCal. So it's like, what are we talking, you know? And it looks really flat, like Doug says, Yeah, from just like people logging or drone shots, but it's what are they mount? Like? Yeah, it's

Doug Johnson:

like, it's like a mountain mountain rain. Yeah. And so I mean, I don't know if it's like an official rangering But it's beautiful. I've done my research. But it's beautiful. When I think of flat I think like I could do like a 360 and just like see a horizon I could see the horizon like just yeah, like this, you know, but that's not the case. Now it was like mountains. It reminded me a lot of like Central California. Yeah. And

Hayley Johnson:

that is the weird thing. Because Doug and I traveled to his parents house in near Santa Cruz with the kids this year. And we've been through like San Luis Obispo if you guys have traveled up like the the like highway one you know it's very one on one the topography changes like a lot in California. It's all different like every like hour you go is like a different like Desert Mountain like all the homes. Cows pasture. Yeah. And so yeah, like Boise definitely reminded me of San Luis Obispo, how there's like, you know, good size Hill mountain type of things.

Doug Johnson:

Off in the distance. There's brush. It's yeah, there's like a lot of brush but it's like brownish mountains with trees. Yeah. And with green. So it's like a mix

Hayley Johnson:

of the two. But it's not like forest like obviously. Yeah, I mean, there's like little quarterly infers, yeah, that there's like little like patches of trees. But it's not like and it's weird, because they call Boise the city of trees. And I'm like, what, but when you're walking around in the city, there are a ton of trees. Yes. When you just when you look at it from a drone, which is I think a lot of people do when they're looking at the like, should I live here? Like what's it look like? There's like none, but when you're a little small. And you know, on the map, you're

Doug Johnson:

on the ground zero Boise like that. Yeah, you actually see the trees and you see the stuff that's pretty green. So it's the number one most shocking thing to me. Yeah, totally different than we ever thought what I expected when Haley and I were talking about it before we were like, Would you ever move there and Haley's like brown? Like Brown was the word.

Hayley Johnson:

Yeah. And a lot of people say it's not just me. Yeah. But what else Yeah,

Doug Johnson:

I mean so that was the first thing that was like super shocking to me okay and then so we go to this place and like you know we were in Boise for about a week almost Boise Boise yes and the place we stayed at had all these like cups and pictures on the walls and Airbnb right. And everything says boy See ya s e the wrong way see what the letter C this way I don't know which was right on camera. But it's so funny because like, I didn't know that's way that it was said but it's apparently is a thing to correct people and say Boise but anyways, I'm gonna just call it random things. I don't know what the what direction we're going with this. Yeah. And like the order we want to do things. But that was the number one most shocking thing. The second thing was we came in here expecting people to like, not want to hear that you're from California. They don't. Right.

Hayley Johnson:

We were right. Where are you going with this?

Doug Johnson:

And that's exactly where I was going exactly what it was like kind of confirmed. Right? Yeah. So we had a couple different experience. We

Hayley Johnson:

said this in the last podcast too. I was like, I'm not saying you're like gonna pretend you're Mexican.

Doug Johnson:

And not speaking Spanish and whatnot.

Hayley Johnson:

But so, like we we've had a couple encounters.

Doug Johnson:

Okay. The first one I want to talk about is the kid at Trader Joe's? Oh, yes. Well, I want to talk about because like when you went over there and you're like, Oh, I work from California or whatever. Like he seemed chill. Like he didn't seem too too uppity about like, didn't care. He was like, 20

Hayley Johnson:

years old. I don't like a six year old man. He's done with it. Like, you know, we're gonna get

Doug Johnson:

to that. Yeah. Okay. But he he was saying like, where to live, like, Eagle like all this other stuff, which was cool. And so like, that was a decent experience. I always got worried whenever people were asking us where we were from, like California. Yeah, yeah. Literally, like it was like that. And you're just like, they're like, oh, but the biggest experience like think for me. It was where we were on the what's that thing called? It's like the Riverwalk? Yeah, it's like a river. It's like, it's like, yeah, it's like the Boise River. There's like, it's like, it's like the Greenbelt or something like that, like,

Hayley Johnson:

pulled up. You got to say how beautiful that was. We saw a deer if you guys follow like my mom Instagram account, I like logged in. Not really, it was like stories, but we were just walking dog was on when we went to get our lunch from the car and I was with the girls and they're like, are we gonna see animals here like deer and elk? And I'm like, No, you're not. You're not. But we're like walking along this Greenbelt, which is amazingly stunning. Okay, like, California is beautiful. But the Greenbelt was special because it was so clean, like the cleanest place I've ever been. There's no homeless, which who knows? It's just a trigger word to people. But there wasn't there was not a single person lying there sleeping, which is so normal. It's

Doug Johnson:

not even just homeless. It's just people. Oh, yeah. It was like it's so like, there's just such a population. Yeah, exactly. Like, even if they're not homeless people will just be sleeping on a bench. Like taking a nap. Yeah, that you know, they're just out there. Like,

Hayley Johnson:

there wasn't a lot of people. Yeah. Which is nice. It was refreshing. Like, honestly, it really super green. Super manicured. Perfect. So then, oh, sorry to interrupt. No, no, no story about the old dudes. But me and the girls are walking and I'm like, There's a year there's literally a deer at the kids park. Just like, you know, we walked up to the deer and I mean, it was such a good moment. Like, seeing that like

Doug Johnson:

it was also Snow White or something for a second. Dogs like

Hayley Johnson:

grew up in the trees in NorCal. So he's like, Haley, like I've

Doug Johnson:

seen deer. You're doing anyways? Go ahead. No, but it is very, like topography is like forests, which was weird. I was like there's a forest but it's like there's a lot of trees there's enough trees for different

Hayley Johnson:

types of trees a lot of weird like weeping willow trees were everywhere.

Doug Johnson:

You say, like deciduous tree that's out there. Online. But but the place is cool because there's a river and we like walked in the river. Yeah. And like clean water. No trash, like no trash anywhere. Yeah, the phrase I hear is like pack it in pack it out. Like you take all your trash with your trash. Oh, cool. Yeah. And like, I mean, no trash like no. Public. I'm just so used to running in a trash and so kind of like, yeah, like, I'm just so used to it. And again, this isn't a pros and cons thing. This is just we live there. Okay. But what was funny was we're walking down this beautiful path, and we're, we're gonna go play in the river. We're not like all the way in the Riverina. But we're putting our feet and we're walking in creeks with some really cool videos and pictures and stuff. Oliver's like sitting in the water. Yeah. It's all he ever wants to do. And but before that, we're like walking, right? And these two guys pull up on their bikes. And there's so many people older volunteers. Yes. Well, the shoulder so many people on bicycling being on your left and thinking on your left, we're like, okay, whatever. Yeah, so we get over to the side. Yeah. And these guys are like, Hey, we're like, hey, yeah, and they have these shirts. And it's like, green is a green belt. I'm gonna have to write it down here. Volunteer on their shirts. Yeah. And they're like a, I think we got some takers for maps here. Like they obviously knew we were just walking around. Tourists people want a sticker. Yeah. They're like, your kids want a sticker? And we're like, Yeah, and so we get the sticker on the stuff and I like where are you from? And he was like, California, California. And he's like, Oh, we're in California. Here. Let's political plane. Okay. Let's go ahead and do it. It's like, Oh, where are you from?

Hayley Johnson:

California.

Doug Johnson:

Like, oh, we're in California.

Hayley Johnson:

I was like Orange County,

Doug Johnson:

and he's like, Oh, do you like it here?

Hayley Johnson:

It's, why am I doing this? I said, it's beautiful. And

Doug Johnson:

he's like, he's like, you gotta tell people back in Orange County. It's beautifully

Hayley Johnson:

Oh, yeah, it's like there is an I totally understand, like, we were reading the comments on the last campus calling a blog podcast. And people are like, it's Haley. It's not just a lame duck. It's not just that, you know, you guys come in with certain types of like, What magazine even brought this up like values and values, politics like that. It's really that you have more money than people that live in like places like Idaho, and you're pushing everybody out. Like you're out pricing everybody. You know what I mean? Which that's like, like, I know, like, what am I supposed to say? It's like, I know, like, that's how it is. It sucks. If I was them, I'd be super annoying. Yeah, I'd be really annoying to do. It's like, but you know, the world changes and the world evolves. So I never Yeah, so I never know. Like, what what people's I don't know, position is on that. Like, which way is it? Are they mad that we're out pricing or whatever? Not that we're even buying there right now. But yeah, so

Doug Johnson:

we're getting comments on the podcast. Like it's full. Like, okay, that's another thing, Idaho, it's full.

Hayley Johnson:

Listen, it's not full guys. Like sorry, it's not we've been here and you know, okay,

Doug Johnson:

I've seen like, 12 people?

Hayley Johnson:

No, okay. So I looked up, this is a legit stat. Okay, maybe not a specific number, like, but what was it again, it was like,

Doug Johnson:

without throwing actual numbers out there. There's more people in Orange County than there is in the entire state of Idaho.

Hayley Johnson:

I'm like, 99%. Sure. Yeah, I saw this on our Idaho realtor like Instagram account. So yeah. But like, I mean, it's got to be true. Like, come on. Because, you know, people are saying that Boise and Kodaline is like, I'm looking out there right now. You guys. There's nobody like, I'll try and insert pictures and video of what it looks like here. And obviously, we're on like a lake. So this isn't necessarily like the city part. But it's shocking when you hear a bunch of people that are like, it's so full. It's so congested, there's so much traffic, and then I'll obviously say this is not the case, but they're like, well, Haley, you're from the worst place ever. It's like I mean, I don't think it's the worst place ever. Not either. But people people don't like Yeah, and so I understand that pros and cons to all of those things. But it's just it's not like in my opinion, there's so much open land even in Boise. I'm like, holy moly. Okay, so we went to a festival like in the downtown area is like a hot hot air balloon festival. That was a wild time, you got to see some different people because people as you know, in California in any state, they're all so unique to the state that their values the way that they look the way that they dress and everybody's wearing Crocs and like what is happening? Apparently my sister who lives in Tennessee says crocs are the it thing and like you'd never be caught dead in a crock. I wear crocs to clean my house. Like I don't care. Like I probably wear them. I mean, I wouldn't put them in sport mode. They have like jewels for their crocs like it was everywhere. And that was like one thing but I just find it interesting like whatever. I'm not judging. I think it's cool. But yeah, everyone looks so different. And I mean, I saw like a quite a few people in mullets, which I've never seen a mullet in real life in my in my I mean ever Mola in real life in my life is when I went to St. Kitts and Molas. And so that wasn't a lot. I was like, rare and unique. But I again, I'm not judging. It was just Whoa, like, it's just it's different. It's a different culture type thing. So yeah, we went to the downtown festival and it was a free festival, but it wasn't even super crowded. No, I mean, there's a lot of people

Doug Johnson:

there. There's just a lot of people that were sitting there, because we were gonna watch all these hot air balloons, right? Yeah. First off, we thought they were gonna take oh my gosh, like

Hayley Johnson:

such nerves. Yeah,

Doug Johnson:

I know. But there was just so many people just around the areas to be able to, like, you know, to sit and watch. But that was it. Yeah, it's not like it was absolutely not. And it wasn't like the Fashion Island or something, you know, in Orange County, or, like a lie

Hayley Johnson:

in Newport Beach yard Mica. Never even go there. But yeah,

Doug Johnson:

that's the thing is it's like,

Hayley Johnson:

yeah, so people's idea of like overpopulation is drastically different than obviously California is like, I know how we sound

Doug Johnson:

it could be that yes, to you guys. It's repopulated, but to us. It's not. I don't think there's a right or wrong.

Hayley Johnson:

No, it's just an observation and like, you guys can disagree like obviously, you know, because we come from different lives like cover different world. So anyways, the other thing that I noticed about Boise in particular is that there's no okay, there's no bugs, but we were just out at night at this hot air balloon festival pitch black. It's so dark you can't see anything when you're driving. It's like your headlights, because there's not a lot of city you know, there's not a lot of lights, not a lot of population. So it's like dark, you know, which is like this case, I was like he's in the south too. Which is so weird to us. Yeah.

Doug Johnson:

But it's not like yeah, there's like there's infrastructure and stuff downtown. Once you step out of downtown there's not as many like streetlights

Hayley Johnson:

yeah

Doug Johnson:

that's what that's what we mean yeah, that's why it's dark. It was like that in Charleston like Charleston certain parts of certain parts or not Yeah, not Charleston but like outside of it once you're out on the road like your light is your light like

Hayley Johnson:

Yeah, but we were like standing there in the dark watching these like hot air balloon things light up and I was like I'm getting wrecked by mosquitoes because that if I wasn't Charlson standing outside for like a minute 60 seconds 30 seconds. 20 mosquitoes I'm like borderline allergic. Like I get like, I think I'm just Don't used to I'm sure I'd my body wouldn't regulate to getting you know, whatever like having be attacked by mosquitoes but I get like golf ball size like welts on my legs I'm sure a lot of you guys like probably do too if you're not familiar with getting bit when I see it a lot, I got no bites there's no mosquitoes like in an was weird we're in North Idaho which is like straight up tundra forests which we're gonna talk about North Idaho in a minute, like shocked that the differences is like the most entertaining part for me, which we'll get to, but we've been outside here, it's like no bites. I'm like, What the heck? Like it's crazy. Because in the south, you just could not, you know?

Doug Johnson:

Yeah, absolutely crazy. And

Hayley Johnson:

that was cool.

Doug Johnson:

The thing is, is those like, the bug situation was just so entertaining to me, because like, I didn't see a fly. Yeah, I didn't see real there's spiders I saw Okay, spiders for sure. Yeah, and

Hayley Johnson:

the reason why we bring this up is because it is a thing on people's lists of like, well, what do I like out of an area? And what don't I like? It's like, you know, yeah, man, like climate community and all those things. So it's something we seriously were shocked by, like, you know, absolute California. It's like we moved to Charleston. You know, we had like bugs falling on us from the ceiling or those things called termite?

Doug Johnson:

Well, no, yeah, it was like a termite migration thing that apparently every fall there's, there's just like, by the way, every Father's Day, intermarche just fly around and like, events and the lighting and the ducting, it was like a nightmare. They fell on her on Haley's face in the middle of the night. And she was like, freaking out. It was crazy. When I saw our landlord, he's like, yeah, it happens. I'm just like, why?

Hayley Johnson:

Anyways, so yeah, that the bug thing. I'm always like, well, what's it like that? Which is amazing, because my sister is like, I want my sister like, I think I want them to I don't know. And she's going between like Colorado or Idaho, and she likes it. Because in where she lives, obviously, in Tennessee, it's like, you get wrecked, like, no matter what

Doug Johnson:

I mean, the roaches are like, yeah, she's

Hayley Johnson:

gonna come. There's like a female. Like, she's been there nine years. So she's used to it, but the mosquitoes still annoy her, like, you know, teaching. So that was kind of cool. But anyways, the people are similar. You know, I mean, I'm not going to really go into that because I don't want to get reamed in the comments. But they are different. Like, hello, California is like super diverse.

Doug Johnson:

The thing is, like, yeah, it's super diverse in California. But like, what's, what I think is very interesting out here is that people wear their values and their morals and their sleeve out here. And so like lots of American flags, like, okay, we're in North Idaho, like,

Hayley Johnson:

hold on, we got to finish off you're gonna fish. Okay. So, okay, the thing with Boise is, I feel like it's very, very similar. That's why so many Californians moved. Or it's very similar. There's a mall, like in Charleston, there was no mall. I mean, it didn't have any hardly anything. Like it's a vacation destination. And for those of you guys who maybe you're just watching us, we live there for a year. So we compare it to that, you know, the only two places we look. And yeah, this in Boise is like very similar. It has everything you could need minus like, obviously the ocean, but the one drawback I would have to say for me is that it's not near a lot of things like you. Like you can't just pop over to a different state, you know, to like go vacation or it's not like in driving distance. That's one thing my sister and like, either it's like not driving distance, like out there, kind of,

Doug Johnson:

yeah, I can, I can kind of see that. Here's the thing. I liked it. I really liked Boise. And I decided, like, I really liked that everybody's like, Eagle the hot plate. We drove through this spot in Eagle. Yeah, we like that. That was like this drive in Eagle. Okay, it's gonna be blown up all the addresses that were out here.

Hayley Johnson:

There's like Preakness, right. Like, we're not gonna live there. But

Doug Johnson:

let me let everyone know. So as a house for sale there

Hayley Johnson:

needs to be gutted. Absolutely. The thing with Boise that people say to is like, it's not cheap anymore. To us. It's cheap. Okay, because it's like, 800,000 you get a house like, you can't even get a house or a condo or where dude is really lucky. Yeah. So to us that cheap, but like it's not really because even within Boise, it's getting more expensive. Eight hundreds, you know, 899 I found and the house was like from the 80s. So you have to gut gut and not literally get what I'm saying like we do it.

Doug Johnson:

But why we're on we're on this one little area. And apparently like my you know, my my buddy's wife was talking all about it. Like there's this there's this specific area in Eagle where you have like each house has like half an acre to an acre behind. Yeah,

Hayley Johnson:

and every every house had goat goats and chickens and chickens, some horses. That's all I want. Like, I don't need five acres.

Doug Johnson:

It was perfect because you were in a neighborhood and everybody had that stuff was manicured. And everybody waved at everybody and we were waving at people. Like it was nice. So that was cool. I liked that kind of stuff. You know, I really liked it. There's also a speedway that's like 15 minutes away in Meridian. I like racing so like that was a really good interesting people stuff that was very interesting is very different out there. But yeah, it was like so that was cool. There's Boise was just like such an experience. But I could totally see why Californians would be like attracted to that and why always seems I don't know what the correct term of that would be like, California seemed to stay out. Yeah, like I totally, totally get

Hayley Johnson:

it. So anyways, we liked it. But again, like nothing's perfect, like da nothing's perfect. California is perfect in almost everything in my opinion as far as livability. If you have the money like to and but not perfect for us politically and and a lot of values. Yeah. And like the type of people are not always they're not that wholesome like straight up they just run their house like most of them they don't want to say hi So, okay so yeah, but we see we liked but I'm not sure. And I'm not sure either

Doug Johnson:

Yeah, I'm Casper Mike and not making any claims here.

Hayley Johnson:

Yeah I don't know I gotta convince my mom and dad and they're rough like straight up there's no ocean. Okay,

Doug Johnson:

so we went from Boise so we hopped on a plane Yeah, like seven in the morning, which was my fault rough. Yeah, it was only to Spokane. Yeah. Then drove from Spokane and totally

Hayley Johnson:

Yeah, so quarterly and if you don't know is legit on the border of Canada. My sister's like, highly. You're never gonna live there. You're in Canada. I'm like, Well, you sort of are because it's like, what she laughs because it's so much snow. So this place gets well I think I couldn't be wrong. But boys, I think it's on average 20 to maybe like

Doug Johnson:

3030 It's like a national average or something, which is awesome for us like, oh, no, all snowboarders. Like it's like, you know, Orange County. It's like, point 0001 Yes, no, because there was snow one time in like 1901 or so.

Hayley Johnson:

And then quarter lane or I don't get 90 inches, something like that. And so I'm looking out here like this place and I've looked at like drone shots of Kodaline and the snow. It looks like a snow globe. It's so like a beautiful, like, sparkling and like beautiful. Do I want to live like that? Doug says he's down but I don't trust a thing. Like I swear. If he I already weird, like beards growing

Doug Johnson:

out. Okay, flannels coming out. It's time I'm gonna start chopping wood. You

Hayley Johnson:

already do all the wood chopping. But okay, so the differences for North Idaho and I guess the Treasure Valley are stark. We flew in here and we drove into town and I was like, you know, going through the restaurants or whatever. Don't neglect. The men here are the most manly burly like wood chopping,

Doug Johnson:

hunting out on my own large,

Hayley Johnson:

tall bearded so I say that manly man I've ever seen my life. I didn't even know these types of men existed. Well, that is North Idaho, Jack's like if you gave me a lineup of like, Oh, that guy's for North Idaho. And it is so patriotic here. Like everything's got an eagle on it and Boise too, but this is like 100 times more than Boise like everything's got an eagle everything's got an American flag. I mean, we're gonna minute wow, like they'll they'll just throw in Doug Jones is like throwing away freedom and it's like a restaurant.

Doug Johnson:

It was just it was just like, you know, the CDA freedom chiropractic shop and are just like, they just throw a freedom into things which is really funny, but like, that's a whole thing. You know, it is never seen thing like that. Yeah, and it sucks because like nowadays, especially on social media and stuff, it's such a divide, whether like you should be proud of like, where you are, like, you know, just being like American proud of being American or whether it's bad or whatever, whatever people say out here. And like, I don't care. You're American. Like that's it. That's just how it is. What do you I like it like I like and I'll put some pictures but this place is green. It's like It's like wash it's so green. Okay, Haley when we drove in Haley I almost had a mild panic attack. I did it literally literally she did. We were like driving too late and B and it is just forced. It's not just for us Kay Douglas like forest or like a little road that's like driving around like this and you can't even see where the roads going. Yeah. And she's like,

Hayley Johnson:

Okay, I didn't I wasn't saying anything but I did was like I don't know about this like who leaves suffocated? Okay, she felt so because of the drive in to particularly our Airbnb which is like, in the forest, you know, on the lake but so Doug's from the forest area near Santa Cruz lots of right biggest redwood trees ever I think. But there's still a wide open ocean so you're not suffocating.

Doug Johnson:

You can like kind of look over look the trees if you look hard enough you can see the ocean Yeah, like

Hayley Johnson:

so he was living like a thick this is like tree tree tree tree like thick, thick, thick. You're like there's black bears in there. Like I was like when am I going to see a bear release? Like where's the moose? There are Where's me? We're like what do you say that the whole trip? Well I'm like there's got and I haven't seen well animal but I really kept saying this is the tundra dog. Like no, this is the straight tundra because there's I know the snows come ready

Doug Johnson:

to come back in the snow. Like I think that's the definitive move, you know saying is like checking it out on the snow. Oh, what the snows like, No, we're not living here and then doing it and checking it out. I can't live here because I know Haley says that either. You guys are fishing every day. He's like addicted. Like I'm super used to fish. A lot

Hayley Johnson:

of you know what, you need to watch it because the people watch her like Haley you let Doug live up. Like when the podcast is off. He's like, I don't know. I'm like, seriously, it makes me look so bad. But there is pros and cons. Okay, so we're not doing that. I'm trying

Doug Johnson:

Jeeps I mean big old trucks. I've seen so many drug trucks out here. They have the

Hayley Johnson:

biggest trucks. I mean, I've seen big trucks but everybody has a huge truck.

Doug Johnson:

Look at and so come early man. So big trucks, you know, but they're like washed twice a week. And out here. I don't think these trucks ever been washed. No. It's Like, it's like it's gonna get dirty anyways, like, um, it

Hayley Johnson:

kind of makes me a little nervous though because it's like if the dudes are soberly, like they're not these dudes are not putting I have like, oh, farmer's tan like, they are just like, they're just they're not putting on a show.

Doug Johnson:

No, they're not here for anybody, but just they're going standard and hard, like, hard ass work. And

Hayley Johnson:

I'm like, I'm scared.

Doug Johnson:

You know, digging holes for fences and stuff,

Hayley Johnson:

for quarterly for me, is again, not a lot of people. There's I think we drove in and I know it's already 4000 people, I don't know if they update that sign, but that's not a lot, obviously. Which the size of my hometown. Really small. Yeah. So that's weird. You know? Like, when you don't a lot of people you don't have a lot of things to do. You really have to be self reliant on doing things for yourself. Like maybe you have like a homestead and you're okay with being like a homebody? Like, I don't know. And I am not really sure you got to be a lake person. Lake living on the lake or burning, or snowboarding, obviously, the snow but we actually met one of our like, former students, someone that like, I've followed online for a while now that we're a family if you guys follow me, I was gonna say, there's gonna be a podcast, Katie and Alicia. Yeah, we did a podcast swap with them. And anyways, they live here. And I'm like, I cannot believe Katie lives here. You know, because she lives in like, such a what I could see online, like a normal life, you know, in a regular house and all that stuff. So anyways, so I know people live in like regular housing tracks and stuff like that. But I didn't think that they lived in such a, like, ragged place

Doug Johnson:

yet. But here's the thing to where it is, you know, they were saying that there's like a definitive line in terms of where the snow really hits, like, you know, quarterly in certain parts of it. Don't hit that snow. Yeah, is what they were saying. So it's like, not all quarter lands gonna be covered in three feet. And they said, Yeah, some of it's covered in three feet of snow, when you get a big snowstorm. But I mean, they were saying that, like it's comparable to, like Washington rain, like they're saying that like the amount of snow that's there. So I don't think it would be that bad. I mean, you don't live

Hayley Johnson:

there. So what do you think like I already I keep asking that the whole time. Like if you had to live in Boise or quarter lane. I mean, you say, Boise, it's

Doug Johnson:

hard. I mean, I say Boise, but I do like the forest. I think Boise and I like it absolutely yes. But do I want that? That's what

Hayley Johnson:

again, I know, that's the thing. It's like we've lived there our entire I mean, Doug hasn't you've lived there in SoCal for like 14 years now. Yeah. So we're kind of just, like, ready for something different if we did move. We don't know yet. But

Doug Johnson:

I mean, that's and that's, that's like, you know, the terrible thing that's like the the double edged sword or whatever, like we get to choose. And so it's like, I mean, I don't know, I don't know where we want to figure it out. But one thing that I've learned for sure, though, is that there's got to be places outside of California that we can check out and continue to check out and continue to,

Hayley Johnson:

as you guys can tell, like we're not in like a super rush. Yeah, like honestly, we were renting right now a lot of people like really don't like renting I am kind of I mean, there are days where I'm like sick of it, our landlord so chill, and we don't that's the thing. It's like, people will say which this isn't a podcast topic, but they'll say you're throwing your money away whatever. Maybe that's a different topic for another day, but we barely pay anything and we don't have any type of maintenance on the house and we put our money and put it into the business whereas other people just the only option is putting into a house to get equity so we don't start like wouldn't do much for our income but putting it into a business will do way more than getting equity in a house so I'm not like because I first graduation.

Doug Johnson:

Yeah, definitely not super stressed. It is just kind of like tormenting to know that there's so many places that you can go to and so many things that you can try and Katie

Hayley Johnson:

was like why don't you live in Coeur d'Alene for nine months and then when it gets too gloomy and snowy just go to like San Clemente California, I'm like I haven't even considered and my sister and her husband were like, well, we could just live in two different places. And I do want to give my kids a stable upbringing though like a semi stable like I think living in the same place all year round. Like you don't have to do that to have a good childhood you know, you could have a good childhood and experienced different things but I do want them to form like deep friendships and have a community and have a church where they know people and so that's important but 12 months I don't know so I'm interested in thinking about that. You know like

Doug Johnson:

if you had to if you had to pick right now Boise a quarter lane which one would you pick? You already know what I

Hayley Johnson:

would say you know the snow just really gets me Yeah,

Doug Johnson:

I like to land on the lake right now and I think this is legit, it is legit Hey guys, and so the baby woke up and Haley had to go grab the baby as you know we're trying to do this like kind of off the cuff in a different place. But um yeah, just wanted to thank you guys for like sticking through the slightly changing subject here and talking about like, where to move and things like that. We have a lot of stuff planned for the podcast super excited about it, but hopefully you guys like this kind of content. If you're watching this on YouTube, leave a comment down below. Let us know what you think about it. You can always DM us on Instagram. I'd love to be able to hear all this stuff that your guys's thoughts are about the you know Idaho North Idaho moving places questions about entrepreneurship and moving and doing stuff for your family. That's pretty much it for today's podcast. And so thanks guys for listening and we'll see in the next one.