The American Dream Revival Podcast with Hayley & Doug

EP 21. Pulling our kid of out school & why we now homeschool

• Hayley & Doug Johnson • Season 1 • Episode 21

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Today we're talking about the WHY behind homeschooling and how it actually related to business. So many times it's just the negative external factors that are talked about when it comes to homeschooling but for us it's a little more than that! 

Hayley Johnson:

Hey guys, welcome back to the Digital Income family podcast. We are so stoked to be here with you guys actually roped dug in to do a special episode for you

Doug Johnson:

Lured

Hayley Johnson:

Because I get this question a lot and I did well, I guess I should say what it's about but basically today's podcast episode we're gonna talk about why we made the decision to pull our I think three or four year old out of date or non daycare. It was like a preschool pre preschool daycare preschool. Yeah, and homeschool our three children after never being homeschooled ourselves. We totally went the regular like public slash some private college. Yeah. And so I did a video about this actually on my mom channel, I'll link that one down below it was very provocative was called like schools are failing. Got a lot of like new exposure from that video for obvious reasons. But I feel like there's a lot missing to the topic of like, why we chose specifically like for our family's values to homeschool our kids. Now this podcast episode is not going to be like a bash fest of public schools, or does the YouTube video No, it wasn't. It wasn't like that. But it was really more like that video that I did was more about like the flaws I see in the system. And they'll give reasons me obviously. But this video is going to be about what do you want to explain?

Doug Johnson:

This is more like the the positive upsides to homeschooling? Yeah, plus less of the like external factors, okay, because external factors being like safety and, you know, knowing what your child is being taught and what kids are talking to your kids and what they're talking about things like that, like to me, yeah, no external factors. This video is going to be more like the internal character building, like, you know, showing your kids that there is a different life that can be lived. That's usually not as conventional. And so it's going to be more about like, the lessons that we teach them or like the, the, what am I trying to say like the habits that we that we show them stuff like that. So it's gonna be more stuff that's intrinsic, that builds their character as adults.

Hayley Johnson:

All right. So of course, we go to record, this is like our third time. Honestly, we're usually a little bit more put together than this, but the baby wakes up. So if you're watching this, which actually you can watch this, if you're listening to it on our YouTube channel. That's where we have all our podcasts just slapped on there. But the baby's asleep on my shoulder, the 18 month old baby boy so asleep, but we're still gonna do the episode because yellow, you gotta gotta move on as well. This is an indication we might be a little bit weird, but yeah, it's an indication of our life, you know? But anyways, okay, so, yeah, we wanted to cover like the pros of homeschooling for our particular family. And like our new found mindset as to being like self sufficient with our businesses. And working less living more, you know, that cheesy phrases. But anyway, so you want to talk about like the background of like, how we were raised briefly, because I feel like this is important. I

Doug Johnson:

know, people might think that like it started out this way. Now, right? They might think that this is what you're born into. And I honestly thought that it is kind of like that a little bit, you know, but that wasn't the case for me. Okay, so for me, I was raised in a very traditional, like, go to school, get good grades, My God, my dad's Japanese, where he's part Japanese. And so like his not to be like, completely stereotypical here. But my grandpa is from Kobe, she didn't lay it out, put this into him. When he put it into me, I needed to go to school, I need to get good grades, I need to go to college, I need to get a good job. Like yeah, like a good career, you know, get a career and you stick with that career. And you stay with that forever. And so that's been drilled into me forever. So I've never once thought of starting my own business, going against the grain. I've always been taught to like, do what everybody else is doing. Because that's what you do you fall in line, like a little answer that follows like the trail Yeah, to the beat. And so that's how I was always raised. And it was a very heavy emphasis on on grades in school. Yeah. And never free thinking. Yeah, so I don't know if your life was any different Haley.

Hayley Johnson:

Yes. And no. What do you mean, Doug, you know,

Doug Johnson:

I'm trying to set it up.

Hayley Johnson:

Anyways, for those of you guys who know anything about me, maybe you know this, maybe you don't, but my dad's been an entrepreneur ever since I was before I was born, always starting and failing and starting more businesses. And if you're in the baby boomer era, it is incredibly hard to start a business you're literally knocking on doors. So my dad did not have an easy like we do nowadays on social media. Yeah, with the dial up and even before that, so like, from my perspective, like owning your own business was incredibly hard. But it was something that I saw great rewarding because my dad was just such he has such he still does have like such a passion and vigor for life. And I attribute that to his like, 100% Portuguese like heritage, that's just how him and my grandpa and like, my whole family is on that side. They're just like, so energetic, so motivated for life. And he's still like that. He's like seven years every every day. Yeah, so I always saw that. But on the flip side, my mom is like, she supported the family. Most of the times my dad was always investing our money in crazy thing. So she was a nurse and my mom was raised nearly like with a single mom and she had like three siblings. So they're all nurses. The entire family turned out to be nurses, which is crazy. And they're all just like work for yourself like women empowerment. And so my mom's family is for good. Reason, obviously, but like you need to provide for yourself like you don't do not marry and then don't have a job. Like I always my mom was always telling me that my dad was always telling me being entrepreneur like they're total opposites, but they are still married, happily married. And so when I met Doug, I was still like, teeter tottering between like my mom and my dad's like characteristics, I think, because we met in college at a fraternity party, not that this is our like, origin story. But yeah, and so you're always pursuing business. I was like, Well, I'll try that too. Because like, you can do it. I can.

Doug Johnson:

There's a thing like in scores, like if you wanted to get places in business, we went to a really like a school, we went to college where like business was the thing you did there, like it is a business college and hate losing communications or something. So she was trying to be garbage, or something like she was getting it. Right. And so when I met her, I was like, urine, calm, like, whatever. And I was like, Screw you. So then she switched, and I'm doing accounting or finance, which is like the biggest change. But anyways, I already had my pass in my mind, like, settled and set, okay, like you did up until, like, five years ago. I know. And so like I had it settled, I had it set. I was going to be in business. I was doing marketing. I was going to go into like internet and digital marketing. I was already working for jobs while I was in college getting experienced doing that kind of stuff. My path, my trajectory was set in stone.

Hayley Johnson:

Yes. And Doug actually ended up getting like an agency job in LA after college. And his dad is so cute and so funny. He's not cute, but you know, I mean, he would like we'd be driving because we live in at we lived in a lake together and there'd be a billboard. And his dad would be like, Doug, is that from your company? Like?

Doug Johnson:

Yeah, like dad? No, because one of my clients was Toyota, like I handled Toyota is SEO and so they, there would be like billboards of Toyota stuff. He's like, Doug, did you have anything to do with? I was like, no, no.

Hayley Johnson:

He was just so proud. Like, his parents are to Have you any idea.

Doug Johnson:

They'd send me pictures of like my office, so pushes me in front of my office. Yeah,

Hayley Johnson:

they're so proud desk and the day that you told them that you were going to quit was like, worse. Like we have an amazing relation with his parents

Doug Johnson:

and they laugh, they're fun. They're coming down soon, they're

Hayley Johnson:

gonna go hang out. They're totally understand. Well, not really. Anyone gets you know,

Doug Johnson:

they get it now. But yeah, for a long time, after I quit, they were like sliding me 20s. And so yeah, for good reason. No, right. But that was, that was the thing was that they, they also pictured me, that's how heavily in green it was. They pictured their son doing what they wanted to do. And it was ingrained so heavily on me that I pictured myself doing it. Yeah. And that the moment that it's just the way it was, yeah. Everything was just like, yeah, like so up in the air. It was Yeah.

Hayley Johnson:

And so we're not going to really dive into this because if you go to podcast episode number one, we talked about, like, why we were YouTubers why Doug quit his job and why we're not we really didn't like that necessarily. At the very end. We're grateful for the whole experience. And you guys that are still watching that came from that channel, like so grateful. But anyways, we're not going to talk about that so much. In this episode, you can watch that first episode to know about like, how, like how the heck we got here? If you don't know. But anyways, so back to pulling our kid out of school. Yeah. So we were on that traditional path. And we ended up becoming entrepreneurs for a lot of different reasons, discussed in the first episode. And so we put our firstborn Annabelle, who was three or four I don't even know in like a daycare. What was it like some kind of play school? It was like a preschool. It was

Doug Johnson:

a legitimate preschool. It's just like her age group was like, Yeah, they just play school. They more like played

Hayley Johnson:

in store. Yeah. And I always felt like, well, because I went to daycare my whole life, like growing up. Really didn't like it. Like, isn't that true? Yeah, it's not like anything happened to me like nothing tragic. I just wanted to be home. Like, I want to go home with my parents. And I was always the last one left. I just really get a string of emails about it. But anyways, we'll know a little sign up for that. Yes. But yeah, like, I would always want to just be at home doing my own thing. I didn't want to be told what to do. And I think that's partly because my dad, obviously. And so yeah, so when we went to put our child in the preschool, whatever it's called. It's honestly like a dangerous ages play. I always felt extreme, like 110 guilt. And Doug was like, Doug never went to daycare. So he's like, what's wrong?

Doug Johnson:

Like, went to public school, like my whole life, though? You know, and so being dropped off and not seeing my parents for an extended period of time was normal to me. Yeah. But I went to school and daycare. No, but the daycare thing really hits your heart. Like I get it. Like it's one of those things, so not for everybody. Okay, we would drop her off to daycare and I would sit in the parking lot and like, watch her.

Hayley Johnson:

Because I was like, Doug, you gotta make gotta make there was for me, like, there was no way volunteers is like a co op thing where the palm there was a bully girl. And I was like, not today. Like, oh, so anyways, I just was putting my child my firstborn in daycare, because I was like, I have to work online. Like, how am I ever gonna get anything done for good reason, but also, I couldn't like effectively manage my time, like at all. I my priorities are out of whack. So we pulled her out right before COVID Cuz I was like, Screw this, like, my mental state is going down to

Doug Johnson:

nothing to do with COVID Which is crazy. So we pulled her out like right before COVID happened and the principal's like, Hey, we gotta shut everything down. We're going to keep all your guys's money and just do online classes and we're like online classrooms

Hayley Johnson:

preschool around about that you would remember that this is a joke Doug's like, it's cheesy. But

Doug Johnson:

what happened was we were like, Okay, now maybe we should really start to look into preschool into or not preschool. But homeschooling because that's what people are doing. Maybe we should see what's happening. So we educated ourselves, lots of it, and everything was just mind blown.

Hayley Johnson:

I read the book, and well, I talked all about this in my YouTube video, dumbing us down, we're gonna get away from that. And total, like mindset shift between what I thought were free homeschoolers, honestly, like you guys are thinking right now, a lot of you guys, I used to think that mean, they're not wrong sometimes. But there's a lot of weirdos in public school to like, straight up, but I digress. Okay. But you know, I thought that and so we read a lot and read and doctrine or whatever you want to call it, like these schools, ourselves, and ourselves. And yeah, we were like, totally like homeschool, like, so on the bandwagon. So

Doug Johnson:

this was, I would say, this is one of like, the biggest things that happened here. Okay. Like, yeah, we learned all about the things with the safety and the stuff. And we talked about that kind of stuff, obviously. But the biggest thing was realizing that there's core pieces of life missing, like core pieces, the biggest pieces, yeah, of like life instructions and teaching that's missing from but you know, regular schooling, education, things like in regular school, they're like, you know, they teach you that money isn't as like, it's not fruit, like, you know, it doesn't. There's not abundant, you know, like, they try to teach you all the stuff that basically like, restricts your ability to think. Yeah, and it's things like, you know, like, you know, time like, you should be working as much as you can trading your hours for dollars. Yeah. And like, you only wrote some of them down. Yeah. You have to get a job. A job is how you make money. It's like, bring your mommy and daddy to work day and talk about their job kind of thing. Nothing's wrong with that milk. But what it does is it just trains them that it's like, well, my mom or dad is not like a firefighter, although my dad was a firefighter. But it's like, it's not like an entrepreneur. Like that's such a it's such a different thing. You know, people like oh, what does your daddy do? It's just different.

Hayley Johnson:

Yeah, they go to work for somebody else, which, like I said, is nothing wrong with that my mom's a nurse. Like, she loved her career to an extent, like, there's always pros and cons with everything. And I'm not knocking that. But if you have a passion for being a teacher, or a nurse, like you do it, you know, like, it's not that you don't want to, you know, have to do that, if you're homeschooled. It's just like, it's a limited view of the world.

Doug Johnson:

It's, it's like, I would rather have my kid have 100% view of the world and decisions that can make as much as 30% Yeah, you know, that's what I that's what I felt school was doing was just restricting the ability to do that.

Hayley Johnson:

So the other things we sort of wrote down, I mean, minus the fact that like, you only learn which I guess is on the list, like you only learn what they tell you to learn, like, you can't go and explore some subject that to your to the fullest extent, because you are interested in that subject you like, skim off the top of every subject, and a lot of them are nonsense. Because that makes you educated. You know, like so the definition of education is like not very understanding something very subjective thing. Yeah, it's you're like, basically just knowledgeable about a bunch of little things. And obviously, we're not big fans of the grading system. We're not like full full on unschoolers. But the pass or fail, it just trains you to fear failure, and I was a terrible student, probably why I'm here. But Doug was an amazing student, and you're still homeschooling your kids. So it's not just because of me, obviously. He's on board too. But yeah, anyway, so we wrote some things down like they, you know, school kind of teaches you debt is evil, which makes no sense because everyone gets into college debt. So I guess it doesn't, I don't know. You know, like Doug says, time is abundant and can gladly be traded off for more dollars, you have to be told what's important to learn a job as a primary source of income, like you said, retiring when you're old, sacrificing your entire life to live, which hear this like the number one reason why you're not about it, because you Doug wants to do his hobbies, like within the next 20 years 68 And trying to raise the cost of his hobby. I

Doug Johnson:

always use this example to people like we were gonna my dad is 60 He's 68 or something like that. Or he's like, 64 Somewhere around there. He's close to retiring. He's close to getting all this stuff and whatever. And we were gonna buy him a birthday present to go race NASCAR and and do like 180 miles an hour do all the stuff because he loves cars. And he actually said no, because he's too old now and he's afraid that if he died life insurance wouldn't cover it. He's just

Hayley Johnson:

like, he laughs too. Okay, like yeah, they would really

Doug Johnson:

want to do it, but that's a real thing. Yeah, like you're so old now. And you've kind of like missed the boat to be able to do your the thing that you want to do like that's I don't want anybody of my family to have to do that. Yeah, we

Hayley Johnson:

want to live in the presence as much as we can. We are all about sacrifice. Trust me, we sacrifice so much. Like it might look like we live like some type of cushy life which we do but like lots of stress, lots of toil to be able to work and live where we want with our like careers like working online. But anyways, yeah, so we want to be able to enjoy that life now with more money than just like little bit you know, so anyways, yeah, and be able to help people

Doug Johnson:

what we wrote down here Oh, the other thing was to like, you know, you work for your family, but you have to rely on other people for that work. That's another thing that's taught like within that system now that we feel like okay, yeah, the overall moral of the story here is that to us, in our opinion, like The school system was having you, you know, settle for less and kind of give up on those passions because it might not fall under constraints. So it fell into constraints and find like, that was a great, yeah, you go to school and you get your four year degree and do whatever, that kind of stuff. But what we wanted to believe and do as a family is a lot different. So we wrote a lot.

Hayley Johnson:

I mean, there's so many other things like so many other things, like the fact that you that the kids have little time to pursue their interests. And I one of my friends who I do really like like on Instagram, she's like, What about after school? And like, there's hardly any time they're so exhausted, like, and no, she did my sister's kids, she would tell me the same thing. But we're very close. So there's no like, weirdness here. But she's, I see her kids after school, they're incredibly exhausted. They're in elementary school, they're depleted. You know, like, they don't want to do anything after school. And obviously, there is after school activities, which I'm not against anything, but it's like, when you have to do exactly what everyone says for a good, like, however many years, what 10 plus years of your life, it just for me, and like after coming out of college, there's hardly anybody in my life in their 20s and even 30s that wants to open a book, nobody, or nobody opens a book that I know, you know, I'm saying, you know, they just watch YouTube and Netflix, like they don't want to learn like it takes away the like, excitement for learning, because because learning is shut off at 3pm when school's done. And so now but

Doug Johnson:

you're forced to learn something you don't like. Yeah. And so I know, we weren't we weren't going to talk about about this, but whatever. You're forced to learn things you don't like. So it creates this, this connection between learning and something I don't like Yeah. Okay. Like nobody wants to sit there and have to learn like quadratic, the quadratic equation, you know, I'm saying, so I mean, maybe some people don't

Hayley Johnson:

know that is but minus the whole, like, you regurgitate for a task and stuff and throw it away the next day. But that's like the story of my life. Like, memorize throw it

Doug Johnson:

away. I know. So, when now we try to think about it differently. Yeah. Okay. We will obviously want to our values our children. Yeah, yes, our values are different. And so we want to be able to teach our children and show them the biggest thing is showing them in my opinion, showing them that different things like you know, money is in fact, abundance, because if you don't rely on somebody else to cap you at where you're at, you can go out and just make it and kind of do anything that you want. And I know we have to pull up the list because this list is extensive.

Hayley Johnson:

But also I know I wrote. But also like, there's also so much emotion tied to money, which isn't necessarily the school system's fault. This is like a different subject which I do want to do a podcast on like abundance mentality for kids and like raising our kids on what we want to do. But anyways, like it like now, nowadays just within most people's lives, so you go to like through Target and you hear the people you can't buy that that's way too overpriced. Way too expensive, way too overpriced. Yeah. And I do say that sometimes I also don't like I feel like I've said this in another podcast, but it's like 35 Somebody 50 bucks. Like, that's stupid. But there's a big like, yeah, you can only make so much money when you pursue regular jobs. Which again, there's nothing wrong with it. But we don't want to have emotion tied to

Doug Johnson:

to money income. Yeah, we don't want we don't want emotion tied to money. You shouldn't feel a certain way about money. Good. Money should just be a thing. It should just be an object. It should really be a tool. Yeah, money should be. No that thing what the store is huge, though, because I used to walk through. And Annabelle would here's somebody say, Oh, that's too expensive. And she would actually ask me daddy, is that expensive? And I say no, that's not expensive. None of that. None of it's expensive. Yeah. But I would tell her, is it worth it, though? Yeah, there's a difference. There's a difference between being expensive and then being worth whatever it is that you're paying for? Yeah. You know, like, that's, that's, that, to me, there's like a clear value.

Hayley Johnson:

Yeah. And so the other thing that we really want to instill in our kids is that time is much more important than money. Yeah, so with the school system, and just going to school, it's like, time is wasted. There's so much wasted time, when you have to switch between classes, when you have your days are spread over like four or five hours. A lot of that is just moving parts, you know, with the with how the school is ran. And again, I know that not homeschooling is not for everybody. Okay, some parents, like they're not equipped. So I'm not gonna say 100% of everyone should homeschool. I do not think that. But anyways, I think that like, time is the most valuable commodity. And we want to show our kids that,

Doug Johnson:

yeah, I always try to tell people and this is anybody that comes to us, either works with us or ask for advice or things like that. Or like, same thing with my kids, although the concepts a little difficult for them to understand at this point. But you always have to understand that like, you know, money flows both ways in and out. But time only flows one way, yeah, you only lose time, you don't get time back, unless you buy it like in the future, like by hiring people or whatever. That's a whole nother podcast. But that's what I'm trying to show them is that like, you know, time and time is one of those things that you just you don't get back. So we need to spend the time doing the things that are like the most important to us. Yeah. And the other

Hayley Johnson:

thing about it is that this is huge. Okay, so failure is a path towards success. In fact, it's not just a path it is a requirement. And so that is the opposite. This is like probably up there with like my top three reasons. I don't know what the rest are, but why we homeschool is like the school system. It really discourages failing for obvious reasons, like grades, which I'm not against grading necessarily. There's such a heavy emphasis placed on it. And if you get a C, D or F like I always did, you're dumb. You're labeled as dumb and you're We're sort of like made fun of in a way, you know, you know, there's a lot of shame around it like you want to flip Come on. I don't Doug never had this as he was not aids, but right away flip my paper on my desk didn't want to look at it. I was that kid and, you know, whatever. I'm taking a picture of it held, okay, I was like so shameful. But anyways, like, you could say, I'm projecting that negative experience onto my kids. Everyone does no matter what, like they everyone projects their own experience onto their kids. But I digress. So yeah, so don't even go there. Like, yeah, let's not, but like failure is not something that's encouraged. And what we found in business is like, the more we fail, the more we succeed. That's just an entrepreneurial way. And so we want to see our kids failing all the time. Yes, we

Doug Johnson:

have to you have to have the list of things that you think is going to work and the only way you're gonna find out which one, cross them off. But in school, like if you just start crossing things off, you're just keep getting worse grades, and then you get held back because people think you're dumb. Yeah, that's like, that's just it's not, I don't know, it's just not where it's at. Yeah.

Hayley Johnson:

And so the other things that we really like about homeschooling too, is actually socialization. So this is the biggest thing, the biggest misconception that I had, okay, and me too. Absolutely. Because Doug, especially you were like in baseball, you did tennis, you did lots of social things from sport. I did, too. I did Girl Scouts and church and like, tried volleyball, I stuck to but I was doing like different types of organized things, and also going to school. And so we both were like, Well, what about we started looking that up? You know, what about like, how are they going to meet other kids? Like, we're not, we're not like the family is like, Let's just hang out with each other. 24/7 like a lot of homeschool families that got like a million kids. I'm not against it. I think it's so cool to have a big family. And it's amazing. But we don't really we have three kids? Well, it's we're not there, you know, and so we're not like, Let's just hang out with each other all the time. But what we learned after doing some, obviously, an intense amount of research is that kids should be learning to socialize in different situations with all ages, all ages, like being forced to sit in a grade for however long a decade plus with the same aged people. It's hard, like if you meet any kid, and I'm not like knocking a bunch of kids like honestly, but a lot of kids that I maybe I don't know, but a lot of kids that I mean, on my everyday basis, they don't look me in the eye, they can't hold a conversation. Their parents say that they're shy, which is another story that I don't know, that's

Doug Johnson:

not really your kids. Yeah, but but it is a thing where it's like repetitions, okay, you need reps, you need repetitions, your experiences with other young people to learn to interact. Yeah, I was always around people of different ages, because my mom ran a business herself for a little while, which is like a little lesser known secret. And I was around people of all different ages. And so I got to experience that. But when you are in school all the time, and you never get around people that are older than you or that are younger than you to learn how to interact with those things. When you're put in that situation. You don't know what to do ya not all cats. Yeah, of course, it's not all kids, but that persists through life. Yeah, like that's a whole thing. Like, you're all the way up until 18, you've only hung out with people you're on age. So when you're an 18 year old, trying to go in and work with people that are older. You're just like intimidated, super intimidated, or scared to interact with those kinds of people. And like, we don't want our kids to have to feel that way. And they already don't. Yeah, like they're already in so many situations where it's just mainly adults, that like, they're perfectly fine talking to adults, whether for better or worse,

Hayley Johnson:

but honestly, there are I'm just gonna say like, there are a lot of public school, private school doesn't matter, like regular school kids that can talk to a lot of people, because a lot of people might watch this and be like, Well, my kids in public school, and they'd speak to any age person, you know, and that is the true, but I think like for the majority of the time, like most kids, I mean, and the most kids I went to school with, they have an issue with like communication, you know, so I don't think socialization means that you have to go sit in a classroom with the same age kids for 10 plus years. And your check the box on socialization, you know, there's other ways, which we had to learn because we didn't know either.

Doug Johnson:

Yeah. So now look, we're not, I mean, I'll kind of jump into this here. Like, we're not saying we're the best. No, we're not saying we know everything. No, no, we're not saying we know, every single subject. Like it happens all the time when we post something on homeschool. And they're like, What are you going to do about biology? Or what do biology? I do? I know as Yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna say so like, one of the misconceptions about homeschool and about strings. And this Yeah, is that you have to do it all yourself even to yourself, but that's not the case. And what you can do instead is you can hire out or you can find people to teach it. Or you can find people

Hayley Johnson:

learning like people think that the only way you learn is through school. Like YouTube has taught me more about life than legit. The school that I went to the expensive private schools I went to

Doug Johnson:

and there's there's so many different ways to be able to learn. There's like events you can go to and classes you can go to and take your kids to something and learn that kind of stuff. And this isn't something we wrote down. But it's something I've kind of made a connection with. It's that like, by teaching our kids that by showing them like that, hey, I don't know everything. We should go find somebody that does. They'll learn how to do that in the future, too. Yeah, okay. They'll learn how to be able to go to outside resources when they need something when it's in like business or things I know it sounds like a far stretch. But by setting that precedent, you know that not one person knows everything, like teachers aren't the smartest, okay? We're not the smartest, you need to learn everything from everybody and you need to be able to open that up. That's such a big thing to have to be able to do.

Hayley Johnson:

But anyways, yeah, at the end of the day, like our biggest the thing that we value the most when educating our kids is having them be self reliant, and independent thinkers, apart from everybody else, not relying on other people to feed them information or knowledge for them to seek it out themselves. So we don't know how we're gonna do that. Okay, we're brand new, our eldest is five. So I'm not saying that we know anything. We don't. But we just know. I don't know, honestly, it's some people might say what we're doing is taking a risk, I'd rather take this risk. Yeah, then repeat, like the types of things that I was conditioned to, I don't know, learn to know when I was a child. So 100%. But yeah, so that was it. We also really, like real quick, we also really like the fact that our kids can work alongside us, like, obviously, they don't like make reels, or they don't like make YouTube videos, although some kids do mind do not. They're into mine. But like, we like that they can see us working hard. You know, it's not like, you know, working on a farm kind of work ethic. But they can see that we make money digitally, we're able to, they don't understand, obviously, but live and work from anywhere, and be with them and work alongside them. Like it's just something that since we have this privilege, I know it's a privilege that we want to do so

Doug Johnson:

yeah, absolutely. It's, it's always hard to try to explain to you know, our kids that other people leave somewhere for a long period of time to do work with other kids that were around them, they come back and they see them only for a few hours a day. And it's something I think Annabelle starting to catch on to Yes, she really is. She really is a weird, but yeah, and she's starting to recognize these things. And it's really hitting home. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. But if you not to try to segment is too much. But if you want to learn how to do this kind of stuff. And you know, you're thinking, oh, I want to be able to homeschool or I want to build sales, my kids, you know, I want to make a little bit of income on the side. Again, we talked about in the beginning, we do have this challenge. It's a free challenge. You just sign up and you go through these trainings, and there's worksheets and stuff.

Hayley Johnson:

It's like a really in depth like five day challenge each day is like an hour long training. So it's pretty

Doug Johnson:

good. And it's going to teach you how you can make money online and how you can hit potentially six figures in 12 months. It's a real strategy isn't

Hayley Johnson:

like this is not like an MLM thing. Okay, not knocking it. Network marketing.

Doug Johnson:

It's like an actual business strategy that we use for ourselves and that we teach our students we're giving away for free because we want you guys to have that opportunity. We want you guys to get it kind of a taste of it. So that links down below. Haley, did you have anything else? No, I do. But I'm not gonna go there. Okay, we're gonna make up this way. We'll save it for the next podcast. But um, yeah, if you guys are on YouTube, and you like it like it if you guys are listening on Apple podcasts or something, leave a review. Yeah, it really helps. It's awesome. We really like the feedback if you guys have feedback, leave comments, DMS Digital Income family on Instagram. And I think that's it. We'll see you guys next one. Bye, guys.